Posts by just n from bethel

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-11-10 WT Study (WOMEN SUBMIT)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).

jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.

what man is their head?.

just n from bethel

Also just so I'm not being naive - you do know what the expression "tap that..." means to young ones today - right? I realize now that many on this forum may not be up to date with the latest urban dictionary expressions. Sorry if I assumed too much.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-11-10 WT Study (WOMEN SUBMIT)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).

jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.

what man is their head?.

just n from bethel

Thanks LHG - I believe you and I probably see things somewhat similarly. However, for the record, at least in recent years, I would say the idea that the Watchtower "exploits" women is a bit extreme. When I think of the word "exploit" - it brings to my mind things like sex trafficking.

I'm not saying there are not inidiviual men in JW congregations that use WT direction as an exuse to mistreat women - however I have been in many congregations over many decades and never seen one case of a woman "exploited". Treated less than equal to men? Yes. Falsely and negatively stereotyped? Yes. But again those that follow fundamentalist religions which take the bible literally all pretty much do the same. I remember growing up with a neighbor friend of mine who's family was pentecostal and all his sisters were not allowed to cut their hair or wear make up. I remember going in service and running into some fundi woman who was criticizing JW sisters because they "braided their hair" and wore jewelry and make up.

Again I don't mean to sound like I'm in total disagreement with you, becuase I believe it's nuts for anyone to allow a 2000 year old book to enforce gender rules of that time today. But lets just say an alien was sent to earth to live as a woman but had to choose a religion which to be born and raised in. From the choice of muslim, hindu (caste system?), various christian fundis, catholic (no birth control), mormons, or JWs - the fact is one could do a lot worse than JWs.

But your point is well made - religion, including JWs, is another control mechanism that often give men justification for treating women as less than equal. I just personally have never seen any cases of "exploitation", nor do I find any official policies that promote "exploitation" of women. I asked my extremely independent wife if she had ever seen or read about policies in the WT that would classify as "exploitation". She couldn't recall anything that could be defined as exploitation. Subtle chauvinism, yes, but exploitation like one might find in muslim religions, not at all.

The good news is that we've finally come to realize that it's ok not to see things exactly like men in the WT's writing and teaching dept demand. You, my wife, my sisters, and I probably all have different experiences and observations on all kinds of matters. And while we certainly agree that a WT article promoting a 2000 year old sexist concept of women submission is more than just outdated, it is part of a whole slew of religions used to divide and control humanity - both men and women.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-11-10 WT Study (WOMEN SUBMIT)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).

jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.

what man is their head?.

just n from bethel

LongHairGal - For the record, nobody was laughing at the idea that women are exploited. I may have missed something, but my comment was simply referring to how out of touch the older speaker was. He used an expression that he thought would mean one thing, while many younger ones in the audience, women included, found humor in its secondary urban meaning.

As for the WT article and the org's underlying (perhaps sometimes even outright) demotion of women, that is something I personally have never been on board with. But I've also seen that in businesses, organizations, and full-on-full cultures that have nothing to do with WT or JWs. Many times it's much worse than it is in the JW org. Not that it's an excuse, and no doubt some women have found themselves victims of men in congregations that take advantage of WT direction to mistreat them. I find that unacceptable and I'm glad that a new generation of women are turning up like my wife and my sistsers and my daughters who would never stand for that. Not in the congregation, not in the culture, not at school, and not at work.

But instead what you have are those who can laugh at old man speakers who are out of touch with modern terminology. They were not laughing with him, but at him. When people laugh at someone and realize that person is out of touch with reality on one matter, don't you think they might begin to wonder if they're out of touch with a lot of other matters too? How that's a bad thing I don't know. But the bottom line is that if I have to sit through three days of a convention and listen to some old man who thinks Christian women should be like Mrs. Cleaver - there will be some things that I have to laugh at, just to keep my sanity. I'm not going to apologize for it either. It was funny. It helps me endure what I have to endure right now if I can find things in the org to laugh at.

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What "invisible" persons do you actually firmly believe in?? (and Why?)

by Terry in

imagine that!.

invisible persons!.

from ancient times some of us have imagined there to be living persons that can't be seen but that are more than real!.

just n from bethel

My original position is this: extreme boredom's new definition = wasting anymore moments posting to someone who stays up on the internet in Houston Tx at 1:30am, who at the same time has no ability to articulate a coherent thought. I want my 5 minutes back (the time it took me to read through a few of your posts until I realized how Batsh**t Crazy you are).

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My daughter hated me and her dad

by thenoblelodge in

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i was told yesterday by my daughter that when she was younger she hated me and her dad.. she wasn't beaten, she was allowed to play with friends other than jw's, had parties, always had kids round to play, jw and worldlies ( i hate that term).

i could go on.. the reason she hated us was because we encouraged her on numerous occassions to stay in the borg.. what i find so distressing is, i cannot believe the power we had over her.

we kept her going in something that was killing her mentally, emotionally and physically and all the time saying 'don't take it out on jehovah, it's not his fault, don't you think he knows what's going on.

just n from bethel

Humor works better the first time without formatting errors.

Bane said "You people are just to [sic] flippin WORLDLY to appreciate spirtual [sic] things."

I believe, aside from his spelling, that this is taken straight from the RS book under heading: How to respond to conversation stoppers when the householder is not interested but I still want to be a douchebag

I used to have that one down myself. I'm thinking though, that a number of the friends have forgotten how to use it - so I believe I'll get a couple of our premier pioneer douchebags to give us a demo on the service meeting in the next couple weeks. Volunteers?

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My daughter hated me and her dad

by thenoblelodge in

jw
friends

i was told yesterday by my daughter that when she was younger she hated me and her dad.. she wasn't beaten, she was allowed to play with friends other than jw's, had parties, always had kids round to play, jw and worldlies ( i hate that term).

i could go on.. the reason she hated us was because we encouraged her on numerous occassions to stay in the borg.. what i find so distressing is, i cannot believe the power we had over her.

we kept her going in something that was killing her mentally, emotionally and physically and all the time saying 'don't take it out on jehovah, it's not his fault, don't you think he knows what's going on.

just n from bethel

Bane said "You people are just to [sic] flippin WORLDLY to appreciate spirtual  [sic] things. "

I believe, aside from his spelling, that this is taken straight from the RS book under heading: How to respond to conversation stoppers when the householder is not interested but I still want to be a douchebag

I used to have that one down myself. I'm thinking though, that a number of the friends have forgotten how to use it - so I believe I'll get a couple of our premier pioneer douchebags to give us a demo on the service meeting in the next couple weeks. Volunteers?

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Request for Friday Convention program

by fieldgoal in

could someone post the the program for friday morning?

i may be able to get my wife to skip it?.

thanks for your help..

just n from bethel

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What "invisible" persons do you actually firmly believe in?? (and Why?)

by Terry in

imagine that!.

invisible persons!.

from ancient times some of us have imagined there to be living persons that can't be seen but that are more than real!.

just n from bethel

I believe in the ability for Alice to express an original thought - even though such a concept is at present invisible.

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Biggest Harm Caused by Watchtower in AllTimeJeff Eyes.

by Scott77 in

"jw's are an entirely different animal from manson's followers.

they bleed you slowly to death (literally and figuratively), but the biggest harm jw's perpetuate is the lives that are put on hold for "theocratic" activities.

a rich life is denied its members because of their doomsday scenarios' said alltimejeff, a former jehovah's witnesses missionary in west africa.. in view of the recent generation change and interpretation, please, what do you think about that?

just n from bethel

Here's the thing with debator - and I apologize if we're getting too far OT. Debator knows that coming here is a violation of direction given by the Governing Body and those taking the lead in whom the Bible specifically states that he must be obedient to. So already in his mind he has admitted that the direction given by his religion is not correct. At least not all of it - or else he wouldn't be here, period. However - he takes the liberty of deciding just exactly which parts of his religion are not ok, and which parts are ok.

His selected username actually flies in the face of recent direction about not getting into debates with those of varying religious views. So in essence, this is someone who has rebelled from official direction given by the leaders who currently claim to be God's channel of communication to humanity. So for breaking away from the strings, even if only partially, Debator is on a path that will lead him to see that everything is no longer black and white like his world view.

However for the record, he should be willing to acknowledge that this view of 'helping the deaf' as some kind of official charitable act sanctioned through the WT org - it is just not true. He is somewhat respectful in his tone, but I think he will earn the most respect from posters and from his own very self, if he admits what he said was incorrect and offers to retract it. One thing for sure - his view of the org's charitable acts is not what the watchtower would even claim themself. Paulapollos has made that very clear. If he wanted to talk about a very small actual charity that is associated with the Watchtower he should have mentioned the WT's charitable entity AideAfrique in France. However once one investigates that charity, which is a good one - albeit unknown to most Witnesses outside of Europe - it leads down another interesting path of information which I'll save for another post.

For now, though, I'll conclude that the very fact that debator is even here, anonymously of course - as he should be, means that he knows it's ok to disagree with major and specific direction given to him via means of God's supposed channel. While he still holds to other direction given by God's supposed channel before long he'll be open to the idea that even those things that he holds as true now, may not be absolute - just as it isn't absolute for him not to get caught up in debates - specifically on known aposate internet sites. And for that, Debator, we thank you.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-11-10 WT Study (WOMEN SUBMIT)

by blondie in

jw
friends

comments you will not hear at the 07-11-10 wt study (may 15, 2010, pages 12-16)(women submit).

jehovah has established the orderly sequence that the apostle paul mentioned when he wrote that "the head of every man is the christ" and "the head of the christ is god.

what man is their head?.

just n from bethel

At the convention (district) this week this WT was covered in the summary. At the end of the of talk the older brother concluded by saying that wives and sisters were a valuable resource for the brothers. And I kid you not - his last statement was "Brothers - tap that resource!" I almost peed my pants - lots of snickers and laughing.